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Why In 2020 Candidates May Be Opting For No Labels | MSNBC

Why In 2020 Candidates May Be Opting For No Labels | MSNBC


TAR HEEL FAN, AS WELL.>>I WAS GOING TO GO BLUE IN>>I WAS GOING TO GO BLUE IN FAITH, BUT WITHOUT HIM, I’M NOT FAITH, BUT WITHOUT HIM, I’M NOT FEELING IT. FEELING IT.>>6:00 P.M. TONIGHT, WHICH IS>>6:00 P.M. TONIGHT, WHICH IS GOOD FOR ME. GOOD FOR ME. AS THE DAYS TICKED BY, A AS THE DAYS TICKED BY, A HISTORICALLY DIVERSE AND CROWDED HISTORICALLY DIVERSE AND CROWDED FIELD OF DEMOCRATS BATTLING IT FIELD OF DEMOCRATS BATTLING IT OUT TO BECOME THE PARTY’S OUT TO BECOME THE PARTY’S CHAMPION. CHAMPION. WE STARTED WITH TWO DOZEN WE STARTED WITH TWO DOZEN CANDIDATES, THEN THE FIELD CANDIDATES, THEN THE FIELD STARTED TO SHRINK. STARTED TO SHRINK. AS WE WAIT FOR DECISIONS FROM AS WE WAIT FOR DECISIONS FROM SOME HEAVY HITTERS LIKE JOE SOME HEAVY HITTERS LIKE JOE BIDEN AND BETO O’ROURKE, THERE BIDEN AND BETO O’ROURKE, THERE IS STILL A PACKED FIELD OF IS STILL A PACKED FIELD OF OFFICIAL CANDIDATES STRUGGLING OFFICIAL CANDIDATES STRUGGLING TO SET THEMSELVES APART FROM TO SET THEMSELVES APART FROM EACH OTHER. EACH OTHER. SOME OF THEM SAY THEY REJECT SOME OF THEM SAY THEY REJECT LABELS, BUT THAT CAN GET LABELS, BUT THAT CAN GET AWKWARD. AWKWARD.>>WHEN YOU CALL YOURSELF A>>WHEN YOU CALL YOURSELF A PROUD CAPITALIST? PROUD CAPITALIST?>>YOU KNOW, THE LABELS, I’M NOT>>YOU KNOW, THE LABELS, I’M NOT SURE ANY OF THEM FIT. SURE ANY OF THEM FIT.>>DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A>>DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A CAPITALIST? CAPITALIST?>>WELL, AGAIN, THE LABELS — I>>WELL, AGAIN, THE LABELS — I AM A SMALL BUSINESS PERSON. AM A SMALL BUSINESS PERSON.>>DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A>>DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A CAPITALIST AND DOES CAPITALISM CAPITALIST AND DOES CAPITALISM WORK? WORK?>>WELL, I THINK I DON’T LOOK AT>>WELL, I THINK I DON’T LOOK AT MYSELF WITH A LABEL. MYSELF WITH A LABEL.>>SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN>>SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT. DIFFICULT. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT JOHN LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT JOHN HICKENLOOPER. HICKENLOOPER. HE WAS A GEOLOGIST, THEN HE HE WAS A GEOLOGIST, THEN HE BECAME A BREWPUBLIC FOUNDER. BECAME A BREWPUBLIC FOUNDER. JOHN’S COMMENTS STAND IN STARK JOHN’S COMMENTS STAND IN STARK CONTRAST TO WHAT WE’VE HEARD CONTRAST TO WHAT WE’VE HEARD FROM ANOTHER DEMOCRAT WE ARE FROM ANOTHER DEMOCRAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO WATCH. CONTINUING TO WATCH. THAT IS FORMER CONGRESSMAN BETO THAT IS FORMER CONGRESSMAN BETO O’ROURKE. O’ROURKE. HE TOLD REPORTERS, QUOTE, I’M A HE TOLD REPORTERS, QUOTE, I’M A CAPITALIST. CAPITALIST. I DON’T SEE HOW WE’RE ABLE TO I DON’T SEE HOW WE’RE ABLE TO MEET ANY OF THE FUNDAMENTAL MEET ANY OF THE FUNDAMENTAL CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE AS A CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE AS A COUNTRY WITHOUT, IN PART, COUNTRY WITHOUT, IN PART, HARNESSING THE POWER OF THE HARNESSING THE POWER OF THE MARKETS. MARKETS. YOU WERE THERE YESTERDAY. YOU WERE THERE YESTERDAY. I WAS STRUCK BY BRETT STEVENS’S I WAS STRUCK BY BRETT STEVENS’S COLUMN PICKING UP ON WHAT WAS COLUMN PICKING UP ON WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON “MORNING JOE.” HAPPENING ON “MORNING JOE.” HE SAID JOHN HICKENLOOPER OUGHT HE SAID JOHN HICKENLOOPER OUGHT TO BE A POSTER CHILD FOR TO BE A POSTER CHILD FOR AMERICAN CAPITALISM. AMERICAN CAPITALISM.>>WE WERE IN AWE LIKE, DUDE,>>WE WERE IN AWE LIKE, DUDE, SPIT IT OUT, SAY IT. SPIT IT OUT, SAY IT. IT’S A GOOD THING. IT’S A GOOD THING. IT WILL SEPARATE YOU FROM THE IT WILL SEPARATE YOU FROM THE LEFT OF THE CROWD, IF YOU WILL, LEFT OF THE CROWD, IF YOU WILL, OTHERS WHO DON’T PROBABLY OTHERS WHO DON’T PROBABLY CONSIDER THEMSELVES CAPITALISTS. CONSIDER THEMSELVES CAPITALISTS. BUT I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE IS BUT I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE IS I DON’T GET THIS WHOLE BETO I DON’T GET THIS WHOLE BETO THING. THING. HE LOST THIS ELECTION IN TEXAS. HE LOST THIS ELECTION IN TEXAS. I’M OLD FASHIONED. I’M OLD FASHIONED. I LOOK AT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. I LOOK AT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE CAN BRING I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE CAN BRING AND WHAT YOU BRING TO THE TICKET AND WHAT YOU BRING TO THE TICKET AND I DON’T SEE HOW BETO — I AND I DON’T SEE HOW BETO — I KNOW HE CAN RAISE MONEY, BUT YOU KNOW HE CAN RAISE MONEY, BUT YOU DIDN’T WIN IN TEXAS. DIDN’T WIN IN TEXAS. SO I DON’T GET WHY WE’RE TALKING SO I DON’T GET WHY WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HIM. ABOUT HIM. I CONSIDER HIM A NONSTARTER. I CONSIDER HIM A NONSTARTER. THAT’S JUST MY OPINION. THAT’S JUST MY OPINION. BUT I THINK JOE BIDEN, THIS IS BUT I THINK JOE BIDEN, THIS IS HIS IF HE WANTS IT AND I THINK HIS IF HE WANTS IT AND I THINK HE NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION HE NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE HE KEEPS DRAGGING IT OUT AND HE KEEPS DRAGGING IT OUT AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING NATIONWIDE BY PEOPLE ARE GETTING NATIONWIDE BY THAT. THAT.>>HOW DO YOU REACT TO THAT, THE>>HOW DO YOU REACT TO THAT, THE UNEASE CAN UNEASE CAN UNEASE WITH WHICH HE IS. UNEASE WITH WHICH HE IS. HOW SURPRISED ARE YOU BY THAT? HOW SURPRISED ARE YOU BY THAT? WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT LABELS? WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT LABELS? HE SAYS HE’S A NO LABELS GUY. HE SAYS HE’S A NO LABELS GUY. CAN YOU BE A NO LABELS GUYS IN A CAN YOU BE A NO LABELS GUYS IN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY? DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY?>>WE KNOW AS RECENTLY AS I>>WE KNOW AS RECENTLY AS I BELIEVE 2012 HE PRIDED HIMSELF BELIEVE 2012 HE PRIDED HIMSELF ON BEING A MODERATE. ON BEING A MODERATE. AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW DEMOCRATS, QUITE FRANKLY, WHO DEMOCRATS, QUITE FRANKLY, WHO ARE MODERATES WHO ARE MORE ARE MODERATES WHO ARE MORE ANXIOUS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC ANXIOUS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND ARE LOOKING FOR A PARTY AND ARE LOOKING FOR A DEMOCRAT WHO CAN PROUDLY SAY DEMOCRAT WHO CAN PROUDLY SAY THEY’RE A CAPITALIST AND MAKE A THEY’RE A CAPITALIST AND MAKE A MESSAGE AND ARTICULATE A MESSAGE MESSAGE AND ARTICULATE A MESSAGE THAT CAPITALISM WORKS FOR THAT CAPITALISM WORKS FOR EVERYBODY AND CAN WORK FOR EVERYBODY AND CAN WORK FOR EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY. I DON’T THINK HE’S GOING TO WIN I DON’T THINK HE’S GOING TO WIN PEOPLE FURTHER ON THE WEST BY PEOPLE FURTHER ON THE WEST BY NOT COMMIT THALG HE’S A NOT COMMIT THALG HE’S A CAPITALIST. CAPITALIST. HE PUTS HIMSELF IN A POSITION TO HE PUTS HIMSELF IN A POSITION TO LOSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOST LOSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOST LIKELY TO VOTE FOR HIM, ANYWAY. LIKELY TO VOTE FOR HIM, ANYWAY.>>DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?>>DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?>>I DO AGREE WITH THAT.>>I DO AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK YOU DON’T HAVE TO SWIFT I THINK YOU DON’T HAVE TO SWIFT YOURSELF INTO A PRETZEL TO SPEAK YOURSELF INTO A PRETZEL TO SPEAK TO THE MOMENT. TO THE MOMENT. AND I WILL GIVE O’ROURKE CREDIT AND I WILL GIVE O’ROURKE CREDIT FOR THAT. FOR THAT. WHAT HE SAID ACTUALLY IS I THINK WHAT HE SAID ACTUALLY IS I THINK EXACTLY WHERE DEMOCRATS WHO EXACTLY WHERE DEMOCRATS WHO WANTS TO GET VOTES BELIEVE, YES, WANTS TO GET VOTES BELIEVE, YES, I’M A CAPITALIST. I’M A CAPITALIST. I’M INTERESTED IN HELPING I’M INTERESTED IN HELPING ADDRESS THE MARKET ADDRESS TIME ADDRESS THE MARKET ADDRESS TIME AND EQUALITY. AND EQUALITY. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE INCOME YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE INCOME AND EE EQUALITY THAT IS CREATING AND EE EQUALITY THAT IS CREATING ANXIETY IN THIS COUNTRY IN ALL ANXIETY IN THIS COUNTRY IN ALL PARTS FROM NEW YORK CITY TO PARTS FROM NEW YORK CITY TO RURAL AREAS WITHIN TRUMP’S BASE. RURAL AREAS WITHIN TRUMP’S BASE. AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE LEFT OF THE PARTY IS REALLY LEFT OF THE PARTY IS REALLY TRYING TO SPEAK TO. TRYING TO SPEAK TO. WHETHER OR NOT THEY GET THAT WHETHER OR NOT THEY GET THAT RIGHT OR THEIR APPROACH IS THE RIGHT OR THEIR APPROACH IS THE BEST WAY, I’M NOT SURE. BEST WAY, I’M NOT SURE. BUT I THINK SOMEONE LIKE BUT I THINK SOMEONE LIKE HICKENLOOPER MIGHT WANT TO SIT HICKENLOOPER MIGHT WANT TO SIT DOWN AND KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT DOWN AND KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HEART OF THE ISSUE IS HERE. THE HEART OF THE ISSUE IS HERE.>>BILL COHEN, WHAT DOES IT SAY>>BILL COHEN, WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT CENTERISM, THAT AND WHAT ABOUT CENTERISM, THAT AND WHAT WE’VE SEEN THIS WEEK. WE’VE SEEN THIS WEEK. HOWARD SCHULTZ WHO CONTINUES TO HOWARD SCHULTZ WHO CONTINUES TO WAIT IN THE WINGS. WAIT IN THE WINGS.>>HOWARD SCHULTZ BLEW IT FOR>>HOWARD SCHULTZ BLEW IT FOR BILLIONAIRES EVERYWHERE WHO BILLIONAIRES EVERYWHERE WHO WANTED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. WANTED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. THAT IS PROBABLY WHY MIKE IS NOT THAT IS PROBABLY WHY MIKE IS NOT RUNNING. RUNNING. JOE BIDEN HAS MORE OR LESS AN JOE BIDEN HAS MORE OR LESS AN OPEN LAIT LANE IN THE CENTRIST OPEN LAIT LANE IN THE CENTRIST LANE. LANE. HICKENLOOPER IS A CAPITALIST, HICKENLOOPER IS A CAPITALIST, OBVIOUSLY. OBVIOUSLY. HE’S MADE A LOT OF MONEY. HE’S MADE A LOT OF MONEY. AND THE WHOLE WORLD, IT’S NOT AND THE WHOLE WORLD, IT’S NOT JUST HERE. JUST HERE. IT’S SORT OF THE VICTORIOUS IT’S SORT OF THE VICTORIOUS SYSTEM OF OUR ERA AND MAYBE ONE SYSTEM OF OUR ERA AND MAYBE ONE DAY IT WILL FALL APART AND WE’LL DAY IT WILL FALL APART AND WE’LL TRY SOMETHING ELSE. TRY SOMETHING ELSE. BUT I MEAN, TO PRETEND THAT BUT I MEAN, TO PRETEND THAT YOU’RE NOT, NOW ON THE MARGIN YOU’RE NOT, NOW ON THE MARGIN WEBS YOU’RE VUT LIT RIGHT. WEBS YOU’RE VUT LIT RIGHT. WE HAVE TO FIX INCOME AND WE HAVE TO FIX INCOME AND EQUALITY. EQUALITY. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE HEALTH CARE IF THEY NEED IT. HEALTH CARE IF THEY NEED IT. WE HAVE TO FIX THE PROBLEMS OF WE HAVE TO FIX THE PROBLEMS OF CAPITALISM. CAPITALISM. JUST LIKE WHEN I WROTE IN MY JUST LIKE WHEN I WROTE IN MY BOOK WHY WALL STREET MATTERS, WE BOOK WHY WALL STREET MATTERS, WE HAVE TO FIX THE PROBLEMS OF WALL HAVE TO FIX THE PROBLEMS OF WALL STREET, BUT WE WOULDN’T WANT TO STREET, BUT WE WOULDN’T WANT TO LIVE IN A WORLD IF WALL STREET

  • Before the networks air the Democrat dabates, they will have air warnings that read "Caution! Some of the proposals you will hear during this debate will be so stupid and so ludicrous you may shake your head in disbelief so rapidly that you may suffer brain damage."

  • no they should pick a couple. gun grabbing open border illegals voting felons voting more taxes more regulations job killing Democrat policies. the party of fake free stuff. show me the money. immigrants good citizens bad ,. 25000 jobs. we don't need no stinking jobs. a chicken in every pot and pot in every chicken

  • I’m a proud capitalist?  Capitalist means screw the poor to benefit the rich.  We need justice, equality, international law, and human rights: and Capitalism is the antithesis of that.

  • I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the Dividend States of America, and to the Corporatocracy for which it stands, one Nation lacking Democracy, with liberty and justice for a few rich white men.

  • It's BET-O…Would you mispronounce O-bama, or O-prah? Not Bey-to….BET-O, just like it is spelled. Show some integrity, and pronounce his name correctly.

  • This is such a nonsense discussion. Why would it be a good thing to label a person? Labels are just a way to reduce people to just one aspect of what they are, which you can then use to attack them because there are others carrying that label who do stupid things.

  • Why can't people see shades of grey?? It is possible to be a capitalist system with a social democratic bent. Eg Canada, Sweden….

  • The old guard needs to understand the newest generation of Americans doesn't use these antiquated labels that keep you in a narrow rigid category. They wouldnt be able to even if they wanted to with mainstream media using every label with their own definition twist based on the thier own bias. Labels are being weaponized like the labels themselves determine the outcome and not the people running things. The world isn't black and white anymore. There aren't allies and enemies. Everything is more diverse, more dynamic, more fluid where hybrid systems both political and financial are more the norm and more appropriate.

  • Some labels are hard to talk around because they can actually be seen stamped on your body. The capitalists vs socialists thing will work itself out if we can continue to build power in the legislative branch and produce results. The labels that matter most for the 2020 general election though are about the culture war and they don't wash off. This will likely seem vulgar and uncomfortable to my fellow Democrats and perhaps insulting to the entire electorate, but the electorate is ripe for criticism given the most recent results. If we don't run a white male in 2020, then by 2024 there will be voters who see the Democratic Party as a party where white males need not apply, because they will have never seen such a candidate from our side in their lifetime, and that is going to feed into the defensiveness and fear among whites that fuels the Trump era. That is going to mean that people who quite frankly don't know anything about the system they are trying to influence, other than that it doesn't care about them and needs to be changed, are never even going to look at the Democratic platform and they're going to look to the right wing for another human wrecking ball like Trump instead. Right now (and I know this rings of Trump's "central casting" crap) the voting public needs to see a guy who looks and talks like a movie president giving that climactic speach where he puts Trump in his place as the stupid ineffectual bully that he is. What we need right now is a grey haired senator or governor who doesn't look like he just woke up from a nap or got out of the shower (which is why Hickenlooper and Sanders would both be worse candidates than confirmed loser John Kerry right now) who can dictate reality to Trump the same way that Trump has dictated his fantasy world to opponents so far. Biden is probably the man for the job. I agree much more with progressives than with the mainstream Democratic party, and I blame Hillary Clinton primarily for this odd predicament of us losing to a bluff while we seem to be holding all of the cards, but if we get a progressive president right now they will be our sides Trump: out-maneuvered and frustrated at every turn. What we instead need to do is focus on putting progressives into the Senate and make a mainstream Democratic president fear, need, and ultimately respect and work with progressives and socialists. That is how we are going to survive Trump and build the political climate and the resumes and the track records that we are going to need if we ever want to see AOC, Tulsi, or Beto in the oval office, not to mention how we are going to avoid fracturing the party at the very beginning of the needed move away from center.

  • No drama 1st Muslim POTUS Obama' shared his tricks for staying cool under pressure just prepare your lies beforehand.

  • you sir, are a moron, anyone according to you, that has two pennies to rub together is a capitalist, even if their russian born communist still living in russia, you sir, are by definition, a moron, a brain washed moron, with an addiction problem, that being the msnbc capitalist propaganda kool-aid

  • the colorado gov tried to answer your question, however your brain washed brain refused yo process the honest answer, thats a big problem talking with brain washed people, their brain can not process reality, there fore the other person is wrong, you sir, are like talking to a retardo, the more you try to reason with you the more backward things go, lay off the propaganda and have a real thought you might like it

  • Scarborough is such a GOP shill. He pretends like he's doing hard hitting journalism. Absolutely laughable. The current GOP agenda is to eliminate Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. The GOP and their army of media shills are now fear mongering about socialism in order to get rid of these social programs so that even more money can go into the pockets of the 1%. The GOP keep moving to the right while fear mongering about the left.

  • Socialism is a losing bet, just ask Venezuela. Even though democrats in the aggregate are dumb, they ain’t that dumb. Watch them prove me wrong again like when they counted their unhatched eggs in 2016.

  • FINALLY someone on MSNBC saying what everyone is thinking. Beto isn't gonna happen. Stop trying to make Beto happen. He's a Republican in everything but name, and thats why MSNBC is in love with him. They LOOOOVE pushing Republican propaganda under the thin guise of being liberals.

  • Orange Sphincter Why people, like in Holland, still want to hate and devide? ‼️Patriots dont have colorskin. Lets love ❤️ in truth and honesty each other, in Jesus Mighty Name. YOU Choose!
    If You Are Young (Kamala Harris, AOC) and Not Communist, You Have No Heart.
    If You Are Old (Sanders) and Still Communist, You Have No Brain.

  • Are we going to have 600 days of CRAP? From our corrupt politicians and pseudo-intellectual boring talking heads. Goodbye.

  • I’m tired of seeing the democrat party going further to the big business political right. Neoliberal Wall Street globalist policies has always been bad for Main Street. While at the same time, has always benefited the wealthiest globalist capitalists on the planet.

  • Corporate Wall Street media propaganda networks like msnbc, Fox, and cnn loves neoliberal corporate globalist policies. Which help lead to the electoral college victory of Donald trump in 2016 and the global far right wing authoritarian fascist movements in Europe and Brazil.

  • It would help if we didn't obsessed over labels; I agree with that. When you rely on niche thinking, you are not on the way to the future we need.

  • Man that is suit and tie this guy has on. All these well positioned people telling us plebeians what to think and how to vote

  • The sooner the USA comes to terms with the fact that beto will be president in 2020 the sooner we can all move on.

  • Very disappointing that Andrew Yang wasn't mentioned. Not only is he an important candidate, but it would have been very relevant to the discussion about capitalism.

    #Yang2020

  • Andrew Yang is proud to say he's a capitalist; he wants his freedom dividend so capitalism doesn't start at $0. $1000/month per adult citizen starts everyone at the poverty line. No disincentive to work for more than that, because it's not means tested. Increases economic growth and the velocity of money because the poorer you are the more you spend your money, creating jobs in the process.

  • How are you not going to put Andrew Yang on your list???? Really? To me that mmeans he's a threat to the establishment. Big time threat!

  • There is a lot of speculation here about Joe Biden. I wonder whose pulse they are taking, certainly not anyone I know. We do not want middle of the road. We do not want stagnation and a continuation of the same old party line. If the Democratic party wants to stay viable they better listen to the people instead of trying to force their guy (or gal) on us. Personally I am very impressed with Andrew Yang.

  • Calling on all Yang supporters. Go to Tweeter and write Racheal Maddow, Lawrence Oddonell, Hannity and meet the press and the view. Ask these people to bring him on their shows.

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